{"id":392,"date":"2014-08-03T17:32:08","date_gmt":"2014-08-03T21:32:08","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/skidome.org\/firearm2\/?page_id=392"},"modified":"2016-04-01T22:32:09","modified_gmt":"2016-04-02T02:32:09","slug":"sks-project","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/skidome.org\/firearm2\/projects\/sks-project\/","title":{"rendered":"SKS Project"},"content":{"rendered":"

1963 Chinese SKS\u00a0 vs AR15 , M16, M4 <\/strong><\/h2>\n

\u00a0\u00a0 in IPSC \/ USPSA \/ 3 GUN Rifle Competition<\/strong><\/h2>\n

By: ACEeyeED A43209 August 15, 2007\u00a0 <\/strong><\/h2>\n

Revisions 10\/14\/2007, 09\/25\/2008, 6\/22\/2009, 5\/14\/2013 , 8\/05\/2013, 04\/01\/2016<\/em><\/p>\n

\u00a0Copyright (c) 2007-2016\u00a0all rights reserved<\/strong><\/p>\n

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Summary: This SKS has the following MODS<\/strong><\/p>\n

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Original SKS 1963 Wood Stock and Bayonet<\/p><\/div>\n

1- 922r compliant parts<\/p>\n

2- Tapco Interfusion Stock<\/p>\n

3- Tapco 20 rd Magazines<\/p>\n

4-Williams Peep and Firesight Fiber Irons<\/p>\n

5-Bolt cut to handle mag insert and remove with bolt closed<\/p>\n

6-Trigger Job, Sear positive engagement<\/p>\n

7-Shock Buffer \u00a0(removed, stove pipes once and a while)<\/p>\n

8-Choate Drill\/Tap Scope receiver mount<\/p>\n

9-CenterPoint Illum. Mil Dot 2 x 7 Scope<\/p>\n

10- A2 BUIS 45 degree offset<\/p>\n

~ 300$ in add on listed. (Stock and mag and the Scope were 2\/3 rds of the upgrade cost.<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

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Thoughts and Observations: <\/em><\/strong><\/h3>\n

A labor of \u00a0love with lots of help.\u00a0\"skstestjun1713_1\"<\/a><\/p>\n

Now if you do the work yourself, here is what I spent. 100$ for the SKS early 1990 purchased. Mods, Scope mount, 923r compliance parts, Spring kit, Stock, Scope, Bolt mod, Sear tune…..added 300$ more. So for 400$ it is sweet. Still cheaper than the 550$ in the gun shop without the mods.<\/p>\n

I have shot the SKS in IPSC\/USPSA, 3-Gun and rifle matches, for 15\u00a0matches.<\/p>\n

Some with open iron sights , then switching to tactical with the addition of the scope.<\/p>\n

– Centerpoint 2×7 32 scope with red \/ green illuminated mil dot\u00a0reticule.<\/p>\n

Added CHOATE Drill and TAP Scope Mount<\/em><\/p>\n

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The SKS shooting the same round as the AK47 is a bit more accurate because of the longer barrel.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
SKS vs AR15\u00a0 in IPSC\u00a0 – factors and value rating<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n
Factor<\/strong><\/td>\nAR15<\/strong><\/td>\nValue<\/strong><\/td>\nSKS<\/strong><\/td>\nValue<\/strong><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Weight lbs<\/em><\/td>\nlight<\/td>\n10<\/td>\nmedium<\/td>\n7<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Trigger<\/em><\/span><\/td>\nMatch<\/td>\n10<\/td>\nw trigger tune<\/td>\n9<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Recoil time<\/em><\/span><\/td>\nlittle<\/td>\n10<\/td>\nmore<\/td>\n8<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Accuracy 100 yd<\/em><\/span><\/td>\n1 moa<\/td>\n10<\/td>\n1.5 moa<\/td>\n9<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Mag change\/ bolt closed<\/em><\/span><\/td>\nYes<\/td>\n10<\/td>\nYes<\/td>\n7\u00a0\u00a0 Duck Bill limitation<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Major power factor<\/em><\/span><\/td>\nNo<\/td>\n8<\/td>\nYes<\/td>\n10<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Cost of ammo<\/em><\/td>\nhigh<\/td>\n8<\/td>\nmedium<\/td>\n10<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Ease to Clean, Strip, Parts <\/em><\/td>\n<\/td>\n8<\/td>\n<\/td>\n10<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
USPSA\/IPSC\/3 GUN<\/span><\/td>\n<\/td>\n48<\/span><\/td>\n<\/td>\n43<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Overall\u00a0<\/strong>Total value rating higher is\u00a0 better.<\/strong><\/td>\n<\/td>\n73<\/strong><\/td>\n<\/td>\n72 \u00a0<\/strong><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n

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All things perfect<\/strong> and the M16\/AR15\/M4 will beat the SKS every time mainly due to faster mag changes and a lot less recoil allowing the second shot to be completed faster than the SKS.\u00a0 see Orange shade in table above. IPSC is points \/ time. It is the time factor here.<\/p>\n

I have completed the SKS mods to help it compete against the AR, Still not bad for a 1943’s design.\u00a0 Again the recoil time on the SKS is the deciding factor against the M4\/AR15.\u00a0 By adding the Tapco Interfusion stock, and the Choate drill\/tap scope mount, it really is close to perfect. It is running 100% clean in 2 matches so far this year.<\/p>\n

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NEW BOLT for tactical reload with bolt closed<\/strong><\/h3>\n

The SKS has to have the bolt back to load a new mag. I have a Bolt that can \"Exif
\nallow the change out of the mag with bolt closed. This will help make tactical mag change outs faster. Mag changes will still be slower on the SKS due to the Duck bill connector.\u00a0 More info on bolt. Captain of a Crew of One: Evolution of a Homeland Defense Weapon 3<\/a>\u00a0 Duckbill see the You Tube links below. The Captain was nice enough to produce a 5 part video about an hour that goes over the Trigger and sear work. At best 25% of the population are handy. This means most of you should never try any mods.<\/p>\n

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The machinist and will have 2 bolts modified to accept mags when the bolt closed. Should be finished by end of sept 07. I will be testing the bolts and their new\u00a0 ‘ H ‘ Buffer for the SKS.<\/p>\n

Contact: Mark Holloway, 25thCTC \u00a025thCTC<\/a><\/p>\n

The Bolts I bought\u00a0were a bit long on the bottom, which gave inconsistent results. Sometimes the disconnect would not work causing trigger lockup. Eureka. It worked, I ran 150 rds of wolf FMJ and HP with no jams, lockup etc.<\/p>\n

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Results of the testing after the changes:<\/strong><\/h3>\n

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\u00a0Quick test after the trigger tuning of Sear above, last 3 shots come in at\u00a0 1.4 inches (2013)<\/p>\n

\u00a0Golden Tiger at 100 yds.<\/p>\n

200 YARDS<\/strong><\/h3>\n

Using the bench, can hit a Clay Bird which is 4 inches. Usual target at 200 yards is a 6 inch round plate.<\/p>\n

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Latest Summer 2015:<\/h2>\n

I had to change out the ammo brand and guess what… Found better ammo. I think I know why.<\/p>\n

My Range for 3 Gun uses a lot of steel. Rules are Rules and my range disallowed any steel coated bi metal ammo or core penetrators. Even if the bimetal do not hurt the steel I did not argue. it is range property and I am privileged to be a member.<\/p>\n

That means \u00a02 new amm choices, more tests and then a final new range card for all positions and scope settings. Took 40 hours of work.<\/p>\n

REWARD. Best MOA before was 1.4 inches, now .6 inches. That is impressive.<\/p>\n

The ammo is copper no bi metal and I think the base has more weight than the golden tiger a 45% accuracy change.<\/p>\n

rifle-range-card<\/a>\u00a0has the new info and pictures to prove the result.<\/p>\n

I did clear more hits at the 200 yard range and did not hit any no shoots on the 3×3 inch shot arrays.<\/p>\n

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Why do I use the SKS in competition ?\"index.3\" <\/strong><\/h3>\n

FUN, Ammo cost half as much, I only compete 3 times a year in rifle, and at least I do not come in last.<\/p>\n

I recommend the TAPCO 20 rd.<\/p>\n

The RIFLE is now running 100% Clean in matches no issues!<\/p>\n

To have the magazine changes as fast as possible, I developed my own SKS plastic magazine Holders. This version showing dual holder.<\/p>\n

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Chinese SKS 7.62 x 39\u00a0 TUNEUP – ACCURIZING<\/em><\/strong><\/h3>\n

Reading Materials:<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

Jamie Mangrum<\/strong>\u00a0 did a world of work on his\u00a0 www.surplusrifle.com . Has detailed procedures for the SKS and Enfield SMLE helped me a great deal.<\/p>\n

His site was shut down a few years back and the only way to find the articles is to look on the wayback archive.<\/p>\n

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Choate Scope Mount tapped to receiver<\/p><\/div>\n

These are the names of the articles<\/p>\n

Collecting and Shooting the SKS Carbine – Lightening the SKS Trigger (Trigger Job)<\/a><\/p>\n

Collecting and Shooting the SKS carbine Lil-Miss part 2<\/a><\/p>\n

In Depth Trigger Work Info<\/a><\/p>\n

Video on SKS Trigger Job<\/a><\/p>\n

Purchased Products:<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

Wolffe Spring<\/a> – SKS Performance pack\u00a0\u00a0 $10<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

Initial results from the bench using Winchester White Box 7.62 x 39, at 50 yards, open site , groups were 1 3\/8 inches smaller after the trigger job.<\/p>\n

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SKS 7.62 x 39 AMMO:<\/strong><\/h3>\n
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Wolf HP, FMJ, & 154g SP<\/p><\/div>\n

I use Wolf <\/a>and Winchester<\/a> white box.\u00a0 Now testing out GOLDEN TIGER (The Best) \u00a0in the projects section<\/p>\n

Wolf\u00a0 7.62 x 39\u00a0 – 154 sp\u00a0 Aug 2007 – preferred for IPSC Major
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Chrono tests\u00a0\u00a0 10 rds\u00a0 avg\u00a0 2136 fps<\/p>\n

makes 328 major ipsc \/ 325 floor<\/p>\n

Stock test – 2104 fps<\/p>\n

Chinese SKS 1963 20 inch barrel<\/p>\n

temp – 95 f\u00a0\u00a0 Hum 75%\u00a0 Alt 850\u00a0 bar<\/p>\n

Sunny, no wind<\/p>\n

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SKS Owners<\/a>\u00a0\u00a0 – Murrays Gunsmithing makes a firing pin and prevents slam fires.\u00a0\u00a0<\/em><\/strong><\/h3>\n

\u00a0SKS OWNERS You NEED THIS!\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/em> ++ 2007, Old version recall. New version available!<\/strong><\/p>\n

This \u201cNew For 2007\u201d replacement firing pin is designed after the original Russian design. And, it will fit all SKS\u2019s. Even pre-51 versions. But, with pre-51 versions you\u2019ll need a different spring. This is due to the hole in the bolt being drilled deeper in \u201clater\u201d versions. This new firing pin will eliminate slam-fire and uncontrollable full-auto incidents! And, it will allow the use of \u201csoft primered \u201cAmerican\u201d ammo, or reloads.<\/p>\n

Seen below are Murray’s NEW SS SKS Firing Pins, Firing Pin with spring for pre-’51 Russians – (center) Firing pin with spring for EVERYTHING else (top).<\/p>\n

Ben was\u00a0 on Discovery Channel MythBusters.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

I have experienced a slam fire from the red sealer used on some rounds at the primer. It gets gummed up and makes the firing pin not retract.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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